Topic on Talk:Wyatt Quitter

The proposal has been considered by many community members, and consistently rejected by those members (including the artist the proposer drew inspiration from). We're locking this thread to prevent continued argument.

Further moderation actions:

• Marty(2) has been banned, primarily for repeated violation of explicit boundaries amounting to harassment of another user.
• Moderators have deleted posts at the request of Fancymancer to preserve professional privacy.

To Community Reports: 1) Personal Relationships: a)Sexuality - Bi b)Partners - Wyatt Pothos, Mcdowell Mason, Allison Abbott, Stijn Strongbody, fitzgerald blackburn, raul leal and many more. c)Girlfriends - Wyatt Pothos d)Boyfriends - Mcdowell Mason

2)Other Background Information: Likes - boyfriend, girlfriend, blaseball, friends, teammates, people, being fit, being sexy, having fun

And to add a trivia section where it will be written: "Quitter is a Chinese American nonbinary-polyamorous person.

That's all.

Glad to see you're participating in the wiki! A reminder that you'll need to repost (some amount of) this info onto the Talk pages of:

• Wyatt Pothos
• Mcdowell Mason
• Allison Abbott
• Stijn Strongbody
• Fitzgerald Blackburn
• Raúl Leal

along with a linkback to this thread as the hub of the conversation.

First thing first, let's see if someone has an objection to the changes in Quitter's page.

Well, that's just it: this change also affects how those characters are interpreted, regardless of whether or not this content gets put onto those pages. Per our contribution policies, proposed relationships should be cross-posted to those other players' pages. This is to prevent repeats of historic conflicts where editors have written a relationship on one player's page that surprised & discomfited editors that cared about the other player in the alleged relationship.

To be clear, if you would like to wait and see if editors interested in Wyatt Quitter have objections first, then cross-post & wait for an additional 24 hours, then perform the update, that's fine, but you'll need to do the cross-post before any of this gets applied to Wyatt Quitter's page proper.

I'm not in a hurry and as you can see, I've got an uphill battle here.

Hello! As a fan of the Miami Dale, I am chiming in to say that I do not feel comfortable with the mention of Raúl Leal on this page, mainly because 1, This has not been discussed with any other Dale fans and 2, placing it in the Community Reports section gives it a sense of being hard lore, which we try to avoid!

Quite frankly, this edit feels very much like it’s dulling Quitter down to their romantic relationships and how “sexy” and “hot” they are. That just personally makes me uncomfortable. Also, as you have stated, this edit is based off the work of Fancymancer. I believe, much like uploading art by others, explicit permission is needed when uploading lore based on someone else’s content. As such, I personally am not a fan of uploading this to Quitter’s page.

Speaking in a nonofficial capacity as a Spies fan I'm against any changes to Fitzgerald Blackburn's wiki page pursuant to this idea. Lore actively involving members of other teams is the kind of thing that the Spies would ordinarily call some level of consensus for; as far as I know we've never seriously discussed lore for Fitzgerald and Wyatt being involved with each other amongst ourselves much if at all, let alone with the Tacos or Lift.

To whatever extent the wiki page for Fitz should embody the lore that Spies fans and those actively collaborating with Spies fans have made for Fitz, this doesn't fit.

Hello everyone! Fancymancer here.

I'd like to publicly state that I am also uncomfortable with these changes to the wiki. Some of which reference private headcanons, jokes, or silly lore shared among friends or in spaces not intended for the larger blaseball community.

I'd like to go on the record and state that any proposed lore updates to the wiki based on my own work will be submitted by me and not through any third party.

Marty, I don't know you, but if you would like to discuss this further you are free to message me directly.

Frankly Marty, I don't think any of us need to engage with you in good faith when this seems to be the second account you've created to try to push these changes through, presumably to get around a ban you earned.

Mod stepping in to say we didn't ban the original account. I don't know why they chose to make the Marty2 account, but please do not use that as a justification to assume the proposal was not made in good faith.

with how theres been edits to this wiki page for months now adding stuff based on content by fancy that they have made clear they are uncomfortable with sharing in this space plus the general conduct of the person in question i do think assuming good faith is a mistake as even as someone from the outside of this situation this seems to me like a clear case of someone hiding behind the faintest shred of plausible deniability to use the wiki as a tool for harassment

Speaking on behalf of the Firefighters here, while Mcdowell Mason has only been on our team for 2 seasons the current page for Mcdowell Mason does not mention Wyatt Quitter at all despite having an entire section for friendships and romantic partnerships, so this doesn't appear to be a supported interpretation for the Tacos.

In addition, the Firefighters have had issues in the past with people unilaterally assigning relationships to our players and putting them on the wiki pages of players on other teams. If this was a pre-existing relationship agreed to by the common interpretation of the Tacos, this wouldn't be an issue, but since it is not, we do not support this being added to either page.

As a Tacos fan active in wiki writing, I am seconding LaserMessiah and everyone else here that neither Mcdowell and Quitter, nor the vast majority of those other listed Quitter ships, are the general consensus, and even if this was a good-faith addition I would still be rather opposed to adding them to the infobox for that reason.

As a Lift fan active on Lift wiki pages, I'm seconding the concerns many have brought up about this addition seeming to be in bad faith. This is the second time you have tried to add this information to the wiki and you have fixed none of the errors despite having a second chance to catch them. The sporadic capitalization of names in the list of Quitter's proposed relationships makes this seem like an almost intentionally low-effort edit, it's hard to believe someone who earnestly wants to contribute to a page would fail to catch the errors after the second time typing these names out.

Most of the information you suggest adding to the Community Reports section does not belong there. If you are still planning on using the same formatting you implemented a month ago, it is very unwieldy, without adding much of note. The long rambling list of "likes" doesn't illuminate anything about Quitter's personality or character in a meaningful way and could be cut out entirely. It can be assumed that under most circumstances, people like their partners. Quitter plays blaseball, though I suppose it's less of a given that people enjoy playing in a blood sport. Being fit and being sexy obviously fit into your subjective comments about finding art of Quitter sexy, and I think you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who doesn't like having fun, as that's kind of inherent to the whole concept of, well, having fun. Additionally, the distinction of Quitter's proposed relationships (many of which have already had objections raised by other teams) as "boyfriend," "girlfriend," and "partners" is frankly perplexing, and raises questions as to what metric you've used to distinguish them.

I do think that explicitly noting Quitter's ethnicity would be great for a future edit, but as I feel uncomfortable with so much about this proposed update, I'd personally rather save that addition for the future when it's not tied to all these other changes, and hopefully integrate it into the entry in a more thoughtful way than tacked onto the end of the page in a trivia section.

And of course, most importantly, you explicitly don't have the permission of Fancymancer for any of the updates you're doing in his name.

Speaking not as a representative of any team but as someone who has been monitoring and chipping into this discourse for a good while now, there are many glaring problems with this edit request regardless of whether or not it was made in good faith. As an observer of the issues that have cropped up over the last few months regarding the player, it’s very much clear that this is a continuation of the lasting discourse surrounding Wyatt Quitter’s blatant sexualization among certain Blaseball spaces. This in a vaccuum is fine and fans have a right to act however they would like regarding players in private spaces, but a situation such as this where that leaks into the greater fandom is unacceptable for multiple reasons, many of which have already been mentioned by others.

You have made your affection towards Quitter’s design known in the content of your posts, and the general focus on Quitter’s sexuality and relationships in this request is a very clear reflection of that. This obviously does not line up with wiki policy, as Wyatt Quitter’s romantic life should likely be left to fanfiction and lore writers to figure out on their own without the pressure of a wiki page dictating which relationships are more “canon” than others. And that’s not even mentioning the clear lack of endorsement from team representatives for the players you’ve chosen to highlight, and it’s also worth noting that very few of these relationships actually seem to be featured in Fancy’s public artwork like you claim they are.

In addition, Blaseball is not a community that should allow the boiling down of characters to their sexual appeal, as doing this to a popular design like Quitter’s not only puts estremely mysoginistic practices on a pedestal by nature but also once again opens the door for non-binary erasure, as has been a past concern itself in edits to Quitter’s page. Even though you have called Quitter non-binary on the wiki entry, you seemingly insist on exclusively using she/her to refer to them regardless of their accepted set of pronouns as are marked on the wiki page. Regardless of what headcanon or design we go off of when adding player lore to the wiki, focusing on superficial factors such as one’s body and conventional attractiveness is never acceptable.

Aside from the aspect of sexualization, the idea of Quitter’s lore being grounded in the art of Fancymancer is just as dangerous. While Fancy’s art may be the foundation of many others’ headcanons of the character, fans should be encouraged to have unique perspectives on players in the spirit of Blaseball, regardless of which interpretations are most popular. Fancy has also very clearly stated that he wants nothing to do with your so-called representation of his headcanons and designs, and I’m astounded that this notion on its own doesn’t end the discussion completely.

All in all, it’s truly shameful that this is the legacy that a character so beloved by the greater community has left behind. Marty, I sincerely encourage you to rethink your values and how they align with what you’ve attempted to add to the wiki page, and I wish you the best.

Spies fan here, i don't really see why we would need to specify one's romantic/sexual relationships in the wiki. I'm not that much of a wiki person but a pairing with Fitz seems odd, since wyatt quitter shelled Denzel Scott.