Talk:Wyatt Quitter/Archive
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(edited for clarity at signature's timestamp Nesblitt || Admin || nesbitt#1991 (talk) 23:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC))
Hey all, wanted to put it out here before I make any changes. It has been brought up a few times in Taco chats and everyone was good with it, but incase there are any objections, I am planning on changing Quitter's pronouns in the Rumours and Reports section to She/They, as most people refer to them with she/her pronouns throughout the Blaseball discords. Thank you! CJessicaa (talk) 21:07, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- I've only just gotten to see this and I think I'd really prefer if it was at least formatted as They/She, since Quitter being nonbinary is really really important to a lot of people, myself included. There are very few characters in Blaseball who 1) are portrayed as human and 2) use they/them pronouns exclusively, so it kinda hurts to see this and feel like one of them is being taken away. B0undarybreaker (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- It does appear that the request to use they/she was honored, to assure you of that. Further discussion is always welcome on the matter. Thanks for your thoughtful feedback! BlaseballSteve || Admin, Founder || Steven_#3235 (talk) 19:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Okay so some people are worried that Quitter's pronoun change is erasing non-binary people. It's true that they were our only they/them only pronoun player that is also (probably) human. Should we revert the changes? Clockworkworm (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think something very important to keep in mind is that nonbinary people who use she/her or he/him pronouns are not any less nonbinary than those who don't. As far as myself and another captains memory serves us, Quitter's Rumours and Reports section originally was he/him, and then was swapped to they/them, and is now currently they/she. Lastly want to point out that the entire contents of the lore uses solely they/them pronouns, the change, as I originally specified, was to the Rumours and Reports section. CJessicaa (talk) 20:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that NB people can and do use she/her and he/him pronouns, but the issue here I think is that people are going to assume Quitter isn't NB because of the use of she/her pronouns. Maybe the solution is to add in the main part of their page that they're non-binary? Clockworkworm (talk) 20:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- We are actually just talking about doing that in our taco stand! We want to encourage the fact that she is still NB. Our Taco Stand and our lore-engine are open to all visitors, so feel free to stop by and contribute to that section! We will post it here before it goes on the wiki, of course. (edit: worded myself better) Henmason (talk) 20:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think for me and some other nonbinary people I know in the Blaseball community, it's not that nonbinary people who use non-they pronouns are less nonbinary but that there's a worrying trend in blaseball of nonbinary characters that everyone agrees uses they/them pronouns getting art drawn of them, everyone assuming their gender based on the art, and then someone/people deciding it's too much trouble to stick to the pronouns people agreed on/deciding that "enough people are using different pronouns" to change them. Obviously everyone's canons are valid, but this is something I've noticed happening disproportionately to nonbinary characters @thatmerrywanderer#2581 on Discord -- Garages (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- +1 this, I'm genderfluid/non-binary/agender/something undefined yet and use they/him, but when presented with pronoun options on some sites, it sometimes feels like using they/them gets the "message across" without needing to read into it. But, I also think everyone on the pronoun spectrum is valid no matter what gender they identify as. I think a lot of this boils down to coming up with a solution that combats people's preconceived ideas about gender, so that when they don't look at name (like Wyatt) or an art with feminine features or whatever that they don't automatically think "Ah, yes, binary gender." or "Tomboy" or any of that stuff. But I also realize that in the grand scheme of things, changing the way people perceive gender is a pretty herculean task in general outside of a platform that says "Hey, everything is valid. There's no canon." So... I sadly don't have actual solutions to bring to the table here. But, I think these discussions are important and even though it's "Rumors and Reports" it still is kind of a big deal. MEMANIAsama (talk) 00:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- As an Enby person who uses She/her and Fae/Faer pronouns fairly interchangeably, I don't have an issue with changing the pronouns of Quitter on the wiki provided that the decision to do so is rooted more in "We want to have a non binary character who uses both They/Them and She/Her pronouns" and less in "We want to appeal to everyone, so we want to let people also call them She/Her if they want". I feel that as long as it's not a decision based societal pressure to change a character to suit people assuming they're cis gendered because of art, it's fine. We don't want to, even if completely unintentionally, erase Quitter as being a non-binary person in the eyes of the general populace. (Edit for signature because I'm dumb) CrabParra (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I personally think there's an argument to be made here against using they/she instead of just using they/them because of the fact that it's getting more popular to classify nonbinary people (especially afab enbies) as "spicy femme" rather than what we are, which is nonbinary. Of course this is all up to interpretation because Quitter is a fictional character in a fictional sport, but I'd personally advise against making they/she canon outside of the IRM. I know this isn't really a concern right now, but in future, if it comes up again. (edit: I am a they/them afab enby.) Oswiniarty (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
