Topic on Talk:Religions Based on Blaseball

I'm not entirely sure where to start with any of what's been going on on this talk page, so I'm going to start by responding to this message, as well as your prior message linked here (https://www.blaseball.wiki/index.php?title=Topic:Wvvkigof7qsfy1kf&topic_showPostId=wx3nytz6htszz2pb#flow-post-wx3nytz6htszz2pb)

Inumo- you're correct in that the Wiki is not the Official Blaseball Discord. However, what you can't ignore is that the Wiki is irrevocably connected to Maincord. I bring this up to say that your comment- that you are "not making a wiki for advertisers, [you] are making a wiki for the community" is not only an abject dismissal of a genuine concern being brought up but also an argument that completely undermines the point you are trying to make here. People of color and religious minorities are as much a 'part of the community' as anyone else, and their concerns can and should be listened to, not brushed off. The moderation team of Maincord has been working to change the ways they handle issues regarding racism in the Blaseball community. During this process, people reported that they experienced racism 'everywhere' in the Blaseball community- on Discord, Twitter, and most notably here, on the Wiki as well. I am beginning to see why.

I do not understand why you are so attached to this Wiki page. I do not understand why you are so attached to Season 2 Era Wiki pages in general, especially ones that have not been touched in years. I have been a member of this community for as long as you have, and the first action I ever took on the Wiki was to singlehandedly delete the majority of a Wiki page because of issues related to sensitivity that were not noticed on the initial publishing of the article. The caliber of lore being published at the time meant that people were absolutely not precious about lore, and this trend of obliterating pieces of older lore that was later found to have issues, intentional or otherwise, continued even through Grand Siesta, where teams would massively readjust or even delete entire pages worth of lore. Why should now, two years later, this policy be any different? Why does your personal attachment to a Wiki page that I have never seen referenced anywhere in the community (unlike Sneaker Pete, for instance, whom I have seen the occasional content for both on and off Discord) necessitate its historical importance? Why is it in the Expansion Era navigation box as well if it's an "important piece of Discipline Era history"?

You've either ignored or brushed off the majority of the concerns brought up with this page specifically. Allow me to enumerate them, from what I can understand from both the discussion on this Talk page and the article itself.

Let's begin with the first segment of this article. It in itself seems confused as to what this article is trying to be- in its first paragraph, it claims that these 'blaseball religions' are some of the most influential organizations in the Blaseball world- in the second, it seems to relegate them to 'cults, social clubs, and restaurants'. There's a conflict there that is deeply jarring, even while putting aside the fact that equating religions to cults is not exactly the best way to start off a page that claims it's about "Religion in Blaseball' as a whole.

We'll continue on assuming that the religions mentioned by name in this wiki page are of the former- the grand "influential organizations", that is. The religions mentioned here are very clearly three separate religions rather than three sects of the same religion- denoted by the fact that despite having many of the same aspects, these three religions have fundamentally different beliefs. The closest parallel in real life to what is described in this article is the divide between the three largest Abrahamic religions- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. (Notably, Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions in the world by number of adherents, and as such could be considered "influential organizations", but I digress- I'm not sure if the parallel here was intentional on that level or not.)

In that context, there are certain parts of this article that are very clearly of concern- multiple times, the article references periods of sectarian violence, especially between members of this primary religion. In real life, this is known as "religious violence", or the phenomena where religion is either the subject of or object of violence. At its core, this article is an article about a fictionalized depiction of religious violence, veiled by the sort of mundane humor that lets people gloss over the fact that in real life, religious violence is something that is felt on a daily basis by religious and cultural minorities, both directly and by proxy. I don't think I need to tell you why that's a problem. I don't think I need to tell you why people, especially people of color and religious minorities, would look at this article and feel wary about its contents. This article utilizes real world bigotry and violence as nothing more than a prop in its worldbuilding, without any form of consideration towards its real life counterpart.

The Blaseball community as a whole has an extensive history of poorly handling real-world religion in its lore. The Blaseball community as a whole has an extensive history of brushing off the concerns of people of color when they bring these issues up. You're right when you say that Blaseball is an openly political game- but you're wrong when you say that issues like referencing real-world bigotry with no sensitivity is just a "part of the mess"- the truth is entirely the opposite. Handling sensitive topics with the sensitivity they require is not making this wiki more "sanitized". Acknowledging the concerns of people of color is not making this wiki more "advertiser-friendly". It's called "making a wiki for and by the community", something that you have stated in this very talk page to be one of your goals with moderating this wiki.

To say that I'm disappointed in the way you've refused to acknowledge the concerns brought up about this wiki page is an understatement. Your responses have been consistently dismissive, regularly assuming bad faith, and on multiple occasions straight up condescending. ("It took me a while to understand this aspect of the Wiki... I hope you can internalize it faster than I did"? Seriously?) You seem more interested in defending your position on this page than actually acknowledging points brought up about its issues, and as a user of this wiki and a member of the community that you claim to be working for, that concerns me a great deal. Please take a minute to consider your actions today and the ways that they reflect both on you and on the wiki as a whole. Please listen to the concerns of your userbase regarding insensitive aspects of lore when it comes up, regardless of your own personal attachment to the lore itself.

I apologize for the length of my response- it turns out I had a lot to say regarding my thoughts on this whole debacle. I hope you take the time to contemplate what I'm trying to tell you here, and I hope you reconsider your stance on this entire situation. Thank you.