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standardizing new rosters

Moondragon (talkcontribs)

hi i didn't know where else to put this and i have no idea if it's gonna get seen, oh well anyway i think we should come up with a standard format for the post-fall ball rosters as they're displayed on the pages. specifically i'm thinking of the portrayal of players who fell to teams while games were in session. some of the teams have those players spoilered and put on the lineup, some of them have them spoilered and put in the shadows, and some of them don't have any players except the ones visible on site, and those ones have differing text in the shadows box. it would be nice to come up with one standard! for example: when i was doing my edits, i decided to steer on the safe side fk wise and just only put the players visible on the site, putting "shadows are unknown or unavailable" in the shadows box. idk if this is what the standard should be, but uhhh. just putting that out there i guess!

KCToxic (talkcontribs)

I think a standard is useful. I think the team pages should switch to using RosterDisplay's manual fields, just to make it easier to edit once automation returns. Eventually. Dev API when, TGB?

With the blessing that affects the shadows, I am hoping we get more official information on what is going on with that function. For now it seems like they are intentionally hidden, since teams that have them according to FK can't see them either, so perhaps "Shadows are currently hidden" could work?

I've personally been swinging towards having spoiled FK just for recordkeeping ease later, but if it's better to keep that off the team pages, that also works. Perhaps hosting that information flagged as FK on the Season 1 page could be a solution? Keeps the team pages more consistent and may lead to less editing later if it turns out a fallen player is somewhere else when we come back next season.

KCToxic (talkcontribs)

Important update: Shadows are now visible to teams that have them on the website (at the very least collision victims are there). Therefore perhaps we can instead go for something like "The Shadows are currently empty or unavailable" for teams without?

Moondragon (talkcontribs)

I like "The Shadows are currently empty or unavailable" as a placeholder! Having the collision victims visible on the site is good: I can go through and add those ones in without spoilers, at least.

Pokeylope (talkcontribs)

I added {{NewRosterDisplay}} which pulls from the new API. It doesn't display buried players but works otherwise.

KCToxic (talkcontribs)

Is it possible to have the new roster display order players by their orderIndex field? For some reason both the frontend and backend list every team in their Fall Ball order instead of the batting/pitching order determined by their index number.

Pokeylope (talkcontribs)

Yes, but not trivially. The External Data parser functions don't support sorting, so I'd have to move it into Lua. I'll take a look at doing that at some point.

Canti (talkcontribs)

For a while it's been bothering me that the logo for the Georgias on this page isn't square, so it looks out of place in the grid. I propose that we replace the image that we use on this page with the one from this tweet:

It's the same logo by the same artist (who has already given explicit permission to use her art) but in a square so that it doesn't have the messed up little rectangle aspect ratio

Inumo (talkcontribs)

Has the artist uploaded the square logo to the Wiki? We avoid having others upload art for artists if possible so that they can remove their own art with ease. If so, then it should be fine to put it into the grid.

Mags (talkcontribs)

@Inumo @Pokeylope could this page be opened to add more content relating to Library teams. I'd also like to replace the images in the table for Internet League teams with the Teamicon images (as with the hall stars, pods) as they look better in the table's format, fit in with the other icons below, and are more readable in a big block. Changes would look like this: User:Mags/teams

Inumo (talkcontribs)

I'm not gonna unlock the page just yet; I'm not sure I like all of the changes you're proposing, plus I'm not sure if an unlocked Teams page is the way to go. I definitely think the teams should keep their fan logos rather than using the Teamicon images, since the logos are a much better way of at-a-glance getting a sense of team culture. I also don't know that I like how bulky the page gets when every team gets an icon. I almost think the page should be trimmed down to the core 24, and then have a secondary page that lists all teams (or at least, all the teams that aren't the core 24)? And that could be an icon grid, or it could just be a plain list w/o icons at all. It'd let us keep the current page locked, which I find attractive on the gut instinct of "don't let the page one layer deep from the front page get edited regularly," but I don't know if that's an instinct to follow.

I dunno. The only thing I'm personally firm on is "keep the fan logos;" I could prolly be convinced of anything else. Open to hearing from other users and/or wikiteam members.

Pokeylope (talkcontribs)

I'm also going to vote strongly in favor of keeping the fan logos. I think it'd be fine to have the grid for the active teams as it is now, and then just have lists below that for prehistory/Coffee Cup/other teams.

Mags (talkcontribs)

I see what you both mean! However, I think having two separate pages might be a bit confusing. If the page was just to have to core 24, why not link to the team category? Alternatively, there could be a template page (which would require approval to edit) that the teams page pulls from for all none-core 24 teams to make editing easier but still protect the main page. The "just list them" idea I'm in favour of. Possibly like this? User:Mags/teams

Pokeylope (talkcontribs)

Yeah, this looks good to me.

Inumo (talkcontribs)

Ooh, snazzy work with the two columns. I'm down with that. I'll go ahead and unlock the page, since I haven't seen anyone else participating in the convo.

Mags (talkcontribs)

Thanks! Copied the text over, should be good now to lock again if you wish.

Onjit2 (talkcontribs)

Hi, a few months ago we voted on a new logo I uploaded it to the Pies's own team page, but cannot edit the main teams page -- if someone with the authority could do this, it'd be appreciated. I've uploaded the file to the wiki server with the name "Pies-logo-home-solid.png"

Cheers, onjit

Maus (talkcontribs)

Could somebody add the logo worms image to this? We're the only team without a logo, and it's such a nice one! (It can be found on the worms main page)

ZweiHawke (talkcontribs)

Hi there, NeonRunes/Khauss no longer wants to be associated with blaseball, and I would like to posit a change of logo on the team page and the team(s) page to the logo listed below.

User credited is @ZweiHawke or ZweiHawke#0173

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