Talk:Sam Hinkie

hey.

For paper trail reasons, posting here. I think it might be for the best to shove a couple Ls in the name.

Also, I know cities love their ancient statues but isn't William Penn an unsavourable character in colonial history? Had something similar come up with Kevin Dudley and just removed the line directly refering to Buffalo Bill, I think having a different figure or not overtly refering to it might be good form?

Hopefully these changes aren't too much

Hi! Thanks for the comment. Where’d you read about Penn being an unsavory character in colonial history?

Just another note here coming from my religious studies background. Penn himself was a very religious man and actively traded and owned slaves throughout his life. Which has me rather confused, given the revelations bible quote within his community reports is in reference to William Still, or the angel of Philadelphia, who worked to aid the transportation, passing information, and raising funds to assist enslaved people in escaping.

Beyond the historical inaccuracies of this page, I think it's a bit concerning to give this quotation to the effigy of a slave trader in the case of Penn/Hinkie.

Happy to site my sources for either of my comments if need be.

Why did you call him a “fanatic catholic?” He was a devout Quaker and was persecuted for it.

Corrected myself.

Hi this is actually a reference to an important tradition in Philly Sports where statues of Penn specifically are placed on the tallest building in the city facing the river, or else no Philly teams will win a championship. This not meant to glorify or say anything about the real William Penn, who was also a major advocate for penal reform and religious freedom. While small changes like removing the use of the word Golem or adding some Ls are simple, anything else would be far more complicated and is not really something viable during a siesta

Hey, I'm the original person who raised the concern regarding the depiction of Penn on Discord, and I thought I should add my two cents here.

I sympathize with your wiki process being slower over siesta, but I've also found that long periods of no games are a far more productive to develop and work on auxiliary lore like this page; during on-seasons, a team's wiki quota tends to get filled up with players, and so most wiki-goers are too busy to adjust stuff like this. It's siestas like these that are good times to bring issues like this up, even if it's just so that people can keep it in their mind for reloring during periods of the game where more fans of the team are active.

I'm not surprised that this piece of lore came forth from a city tradition- a lot of early Season 2 and 3 lore does, and this page reads like a prime example of the type of lore that gets put on the wiki early on and then not really discussed that often. It's also been my experience that it's considered good practice to bring things like "this piece of lore on the wiki says that your team's manager bears the visage of a slaveowner" to a team's notice rather than leave it buried in the depths of the wiki to be found out of context by new fans looking through the Pies' navbox, so I thought I should bring it up in wiki server when I initially saw the page.

While I understand the sentiment, the pies are a maincord only team and thus during this particular siesta any major lore revisions that would require extensive discussion are not viable. Many people who would be interested in the issue have also likely used the siesta for its intended purpose and are not seriously engaging with blaseball. We do not want to make them feel obligated to participate or to blindside them with changes they would have disagreed with. Should any new flans bring it up to us we will happily explain the context and we will keep the issue on our minds for when we have more than one channel to use for conversation.

It’s a better (and rule compliant) name

Oops accidentally double posted

i think he should be called Sam "Rebar" Hinkie

also damn did you know his middle name is william wallace? thats like making your kids middle name jaime lannister. super cringe

Slam Binkie.

To be honest, I’m not a big fan of this whole “throw an L into a real world thing’s name” as a one off joke. It’s overdone, and misses the original point of the “L” in Blaseball (a portmanteau of “blood” and “baseball”). If we’re going to rename the character, it’s important that we complete the work to make the name include “blood” in some way beyond just the “L” - such as “Slood Hinkie.” And make the fanfiction associated with the page very overtly bloody in some way (Much as with blaseball, which has an blood house and incinerations).

I don't know if upping the blood is useful to the character at hand. Though I agree with just throwing L into a name has lost meaning.

We could keep the first name of Ham and change the last name to something silly like Pinkie or Binkie that fits blaseball overall while following Wiki rules.

Sam "Reinforcing Rod" Hinkie

It’s a better (and rule compliant) name

Hi, posting based of of Deejay's initial comment in regards to the person and colonial statue link. I feel there's some additional concerns in regards to what could be viewed as an antisemitic caricature.

In the Community Reports section, it dictates that Hinkie's species is golem/state hybrid. While I understand that some fiction has failed to represent the golem properly, they are significant figures in Jewish tradition, and tying this to a statue of a colonialist figure such as Penn is quite harmful.

Additionally, within the article I have my concerns with the Delaware affair within this same lens due to the accused money stealing and the further assassination attempt for his "betrayal."

I feel as if these two issues combined, along with Deejay's comment in regards to the colonialist history of the Penn references in the article warrant a second look at this page.