Talk:Beta/Season 1

There's not really a better place to talk about this at this moment, but since they share a name and a disambiguation issue, I decided here is the best.

With the newest season of Proper Blaseball also being entitled Season 1 (The Return(s)), this creates an ambiguity. It's unclear how to approach this so I think we could try to hash it out. Maybe the new seasons could be sub-paged under their new era (if we ever find out its name)? Or we could move the old ones (but so much relies on them it may not be feasible). Wiki-exclusive season names?

I think I'd be in favor of moving the existing ones to "Beta/Season n" and adding the new ones under Gamma/. The Replace Text extension should be able to handle most of the fixup for existing links.

I think that's a good solution, though there might be some confusion with the Gamma 1-4 pages (though, since there aren't going to be anymore short circuits, I don't think they'll get enough traffic to start confusion now that I think about it).

I agree with moving the older seasons to be under "Beta/", but are we sure that the new version of Blaseball is actually "Gamma", and that that name didn't only refer to the test seasons a year ago?

Unclear; there doesn't currently seem to be anything official referring to the current season as Gamma.

I'm inclined to think the New Era is not Gamma because it was used so explicitly to refer to Short Circuits. Also the fact that they removed the :gamma: emoji from Maincord. I agree with moving the old seasons though.

ump_notes posted in one of the Garages channels:

BLASEBALL (BETA) (S1-24)
BLASEBALL (GAMMA) (SC 1-4)
BLASEBALL (N1-) (WE ARE HERE BY THE WAY)

So: officially not Gamma.

I take it that new Blaseball is just called Blaseball then? And the seasons notated (at least in notes' post) as (I assume) New Season X? (Though the site still calls them Season X).

That just leads us back to the original question: what do we call these things? Or at the very least, what do we call the eon page we nest this all under?

For now, we use a placeholder, I guess. This era should get a name eventually, I can't imagine they're not going to give New Blaseball one.

The era will definitely get one for sure, likely with the coming election, but it's unclear if the overarching version of Blaseball will receive anything besides its name, Blaseball. Discipline and Expansion were both Beta, but it's unclear how to refer to New Era + the eras after it at this time.

Edit: We could just call it New Blaseball or Blaseball (New) (or NEW since all the blessings seem to be all caps NEW) and nest everything underneath like "Blaseball NEW/Season 1"

I think the New Era and Eras After could easily be referred to as NEW if that style of blessing continues to be prevalent, but we won't know until we see it.

That said, it certainly can continue to work as a placeholder, same as it is for the current first season of the new Era.

We possibly don't actually need a name for them. If we're out of beta and now this is just Blaseball (non-beta), then it could make sense for new seasons to be top-level pages (so Season 1 (NEW) would just move to "Season 1", now that this page is Beta/Season 1).

On another topic, what should a standard format for linking to beta seasons look like?

1. ^βSeason 1
2. Season 1_β
3. Season β1
4. Other

I think option 2 (or an alternative that uses a regular B instead of the beta symbol, if that ends up being easier for editors) reads the best to me. It doesn't get in the way of the number, but still looks like it indicates that it's a different Season 1.

I prefer Season 1_β! It reads to me most naturally (Season 1 Beta).

We got our Era Name -moving Season 1 (NEW) to say "Coronation/Season 1" or simply "Season 1" would probably be the best move next?

I think that's a possible solution, though there are multiple eras per eon of blaseball or whatever we're calling beta and new. Prior seasons are not nested under their era names, so it may just be better to call it just Season 1 (and following seasons just Season (number)) since this seems to be the full release of the game.

I agree with KCToxic.

Agreed re: "Season 1", though the existing links to that page should probably be cleaned up first.

I'm in the process of mass-replacing beta season links with Template:BetaSeason; should get that finished up today or tomorrow.

I’d like to know if we should put the current teams and player pages under the subheading of Beta like what was done with the Seasons, since the modifications, stats, and players are completely different now and dont reflect the current state of Blaseball. How feasible would that be? Or if you had something else in mind? I see some things being worked on in @KCToxic’s sandbox! I like the “Beta (Archive)” tab idea a lot. Also the team navigation templates are outdated, wondering what the wiki plans to do about that?

I think that, with the teams at least being continuous in their story from the prior eras, its probably best to keep them on the same pages. Perhaps standardization of certain parts of the page, subpages to store any data that is historically relevant but not currently as-needed, and use of collapsible elements could make them easier to read without splitting them up?

I think a good option would be to make a subpage under fallen players (Player/Beta, perhaps) with their Beta Official League Records and Infobox. Then possibly use Tabber to contain the current OLR while using transclusion to maintain a tab with the Beta information without adding extra editing stress to the main player page (tabber contents for all tabs are visible at all times in the source editor). If not tabber, then you still have a beta page to link to on the main player page.

In regards to tabber, I think @Lonestarlars' implementation of it for solely the Official League Records section (seen UserWiki:Lonestarlars) is a better implementation. Though the white box our current Tabber setup puts around tabbed pages is Unfortunate.

I believe all the links to Beta seasons should be fixed now.

Regarding updating Player pages: I really like the tabber and Player/Beta transclusion idea. I did some light tabber research... It looks like to only way to restyle it is by including styling code in MediaWiki:Common.css. I don't really have the technical know how to edit that but maybe someone who does could take a look? seemed helpful and to my knowledge is applicable because we're still built on Mediawiki. Somewhat related question, do we have a style guide for the basic elements of the site anywhere, because that would be really helpful here as well.